Posted on November 29, 2014
by Jerry Alatalo
ormer President of Iraq Nouri al-Maliki was recently interviewed on Press TV’s “Face to Face” about ISIL, why and by whom it is supported, the effects of coalition airstrikes, the role of Iran, and other aspects of the terrorist war in Iraq, Syria and the Middle East.
One more submission for “The Global 100 Questions Project” is “why hasn’t Mr. al-Maliki been interviewed on American television?” For that matter, why are so few leaders of nations interviewed on American television in general? Perhaps after reading some of Nouri al-Maliki’s interview comments then viewing the second half of his appearance, people will have a good feel for the answers to those questions.
Nouri al-Maliki: “The terrorist group (ISIL) was not created out of nothingness, but rather it was born in an extremist region and more specifically in the State of Saudi Arabia, and the region has witnessed it… That’s why when the world wants to find the roots of this event, it gets to the ideologies that has resulted in this extremism, and Saudi Arabia knows very well that this ideology, which has a kind of financial and administrative independence within itself, is now spread to all across the Muslim world”.
“This group has its own research centers, books, and it carries out research. They regard all Muslim and Islamic sects as takfiris. ISIL, no matter who created it, was used as a tool to topple the Syrian government in the first place, and it was used as a tool to execute the political plans and ideas by some countries in the region, as well as the major powers in the world. Now, the problem is, politics should not be hinged on murder, violence or hostility among Muslims in order to achieve certain goals for certain countries”.
“…and this is quite natural, this is a rule in societies, that ‘he who plays with a snake will be bitten’ and all those who were in contact with ISIL felt the bite by the group. That’s why when ISIL and al-Qaeda slipped out of control and the organizations and institutions of those countries were exposed to threats, some coalitions were formed to counter the terrorist groups. They have openly admitted that a day will come when ISIL will be fighting on the streets of London and Paris”.
“That was the time when attacks against ISIL were launched by the coalition and yet there are those who think that ISIL shouldn’t be uprooted completely, but rather it should continue its activities under control – it means keeping it under control without defusing the crisis”.
How has ISIL been funded?
“ISIL receives support from rich individuals as well as some organizations which are disguised as charity organizations. There are also some political figures who advocate sectarian ideologies and back this terrorist group. These groups funnel the funds to ISIL under the cover of charitable organizations. Certain countries also supported this group and prepared the ground for them. But I think the big chunk of the support for ISIL was provided by rich individuals with radical views and the so-called charity organizations which follow sectarian and religious ideologies”.
“This terrorist group is also supported by some countries and gets military support and arms supplies. For example, ISIL was provided with weapons in Iraq and Syria by certain countries. Or after the Qaddafi government was toppled most of the weapons which were being traded on the Libyan streets were purchased by two countries and they were sent to Iraq and Syria as well. Therefore, besides the charity organizations, some other countries which were at odds with the Syrian government also supported the ISIL”.
“They didn’t even stop the al-Nusra terrorist group which is a terrorist, heinous and criminal group, and didn’t stand in the way of other armed terrorist groups. Based on the reports those countries were receiving, they concluded that the Syrian government wouldn’t last more than two months, and they thought after the fall of the Syrian government, they would also conquer Iraq within months and they would put an end to the political system in Syria”.
“Right from the beginning, we said that the Syrian government won’t be toppled in 2 years, 3 years or even more, and the political system in this country will remain in place. This issue has sectarian, regional, and international aspects. What’s more, no sane person would keep silent after replacing the Syrian government with Nusra criminals and their expansionist goals as well as the expansionist goals of the supporters of the terrorists”.
“For this reason, the situation in the country is still complicated after three years and it has spilled over into the other countries in a dangerous way. The developments have made them so worried that they feel their plan to topple the Syrian government is threatening their own organizations”.
“The Iraqi army failed to defeat ISIL, but political differences led to the collapse of the Iraqi army in such a way that Mosul fell without any armed conflict. If the armed forces has fought with ISIL, they could defeat the group as well as its supporters. But political opposition parties spread rumors and labeled the Iraqi army as the Safavid army, sectarian army, or the Maliki army and they called on people to rise up against this army or abandon it”.
“Therefore, when these issues were raised by a few domestic and foreign parties, the Iraqi army didn’t fight in Mosul and it retreated as it was ordered. If I knew that you’d raise this question, I would bring some documents and evidence in which the feuding political sides had emphasized that in case of an ISIL attack, the army should retreat. The opposition make up about 35 to 40 percent of the army in Mosul. Usually when five to ten percent of an army retreats, it will fall apart. I don’t want to get into the details, but according to the commanders in that unit, about ninety percent of the army retreated”.
“The Iraqi army dissolved like salt in water”.
“This army didn’t fall apart because it didn’t have enough powers, but the armed forces laid down their arms and left the battlefield because of some political orders. That’s what happened in Mosul. This plot was to be implemented in other parts of Iraq as well, because it was a major plan to topple the system. In some regions such as Diyala, Samarra, and the areas in the vicinity of Baghdad, there were cases of retreat and some commanders who had sectarian mindset had ordered the soldiers to retreat, and had told the soldiers that ‘everything is over’ “.
“However, we made an emergency decision to form popular militias and replaced them with those soldiers who had fled the army. When sectarian and ethnic feelings spread into an army, the army is in its worst condition. This might also happen within a society, but when it happens to an army, it cause defeat for the army. Those who fed the sectarian thought into the army are responsible for it. In general, all over the world, when an army gets into a war, all parties support the army and put aside the differences. But it’s not the same in Iraq”.
“The army fights, but the soldiers and armed forces are exposed to accusations and in the end they sap the military personnel’s morale. I’ve tried very hard to boost their morale and support the armed forces and this support led to major victories in 2008 and 2010 and restored relative order and stability to Iraq. There were some other plots which were based on sectarian ideology. But with the grace of God, we managed to help form the popular militias and make up for the loss to protect Baghdad. They were talking about the fall of Baghdad”.
“But we stood up against their plots and we knew that some things were going to happen. I warned two and a half years ago that a black storm with sectarian ideology would enter Iraq from Syria”.
“The army was targeted by the sectarian ideology and religious differences and there was no way other than forming the popular militias. Thank God it worked, and thank God we moved forward to support Baghdad, Diyala, Tuz Kharmato, and Amerli. This operation was going on and, thank God, the popular militias along with the army gained numerous victories against ISIL”.
“As I have said, Iraq will be the graveyard for ISIL. I have no doubts that we’ll get back every inch of the Iraqi soil from ISIL. The terrorists are defeated every day and they flee from one place to another”.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey support for ISIL?
“For sure, those countries have stood by the terrorist groups in Syria and supported them by putting pressure on the Arab League, and the international community and the United Nations Security Council. And they were thinking that toppling the Syrian government is a victory for an axis with deeply sectarian policies. If we want to discuss the role of these countries, we have to start with the position of these countries on Syria. The terrorists and their weapons were infiltrated into Syria from all over the world. These countries facilitated the influx of terrorists, ammunition, and weapons to the Syrian territory”.
“…Turkey got involved in many problems in Iraq, Egypt, and Syria. I hope Turkey will take the entire region into consideration. I hope after all the unrest and hostilities, a real resolution will emerge from the (regional) heads of state to stop the fire”.
Speaking about Iran, Nouri al-Maliki noted: “Iran has had a crucial role in the survival of the region, and I hope those efforts to establish, maintain, and advance positive ties between the regional countries will continue. Iran has paid a heavy price to prevent plans to divide the region; to destroy the region”.
He said about Israel: “It is in the interest of Israel to break up the region and dissolve Syria and Iraq into three smaller countries”.
On U.S./coalition airstrikes, al-Maliki admits they have been of some help but do not possess the capacity to end the conflict. According to Nouri al-Maliki, the only forces which have that capacity are the Iraqi army and the popular militias.
Is it fair to suggest that those – no matter their high political position or extreme wealth – who have and continue to support the truly barbaric crimes of ISIL are war criminals and should become identified then brought before the International Criminal Court?
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