Global ISIS Debate Intensifies.

Posted on September 22, 2014

by Jerry Alatalo

OKEEFENarratives are stories of events. President Barack Obama says the world is threatened. Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says, “We were not convinced that the United States government was serious. I’m sure that what happened yesterday in the House and the Senate approving the request of President Obama for financing the Syrian opposition does not correspond well with an attempt to fight terrorism. You do not fight terrorism by weakening the central (Syria) government”. Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister says the United States is “playing with the ISIL in Iraq, and turning a blind eye to the terrorist group’s operations in Syria”.

Syria’s Ambassador to the United Nations Bashar Ja’afari told the Security Council, in a reference to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, that “some participants in the coalition themselves helped create ISIL”.

Does anyone feel the need for some serious gun control legislation for the Middle East. Perhaps people would lose their employment at the corporations who build the weapons which are now in the Middle East, but the situation seems to have gotten out of hand. Some are suggesting harsh sanctions on nations like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and others who have financed the terrorist groups in Syria over the past three years, including weapons, supplies, training and pay. There have been similar calls for sanctions against Jordan and Turkey, where mercenaries such as those now in ISIS received their training.

With so many narratives/stories now becoming published about ISIS/ISIL/IS, perhaps the first step in eliminating the threat they pose is a truth commission for arriving at the true causes behind the rise of the ISIS. Once the factors become identified, actions can then be taken to eliminate those factors, then ISIS will begin to rapidly and steadily diminish in power until at a certain point the group is no longer a threat to people in Iraq, Syria, and the Middle East.

Television programs like “The Debate” may, in the eyes of some, represent a form of “minor” truth commission, while others will see the program produced by Iranian network Press TV as a kind of state-owned propaganda organ. However men and women hold their opinions of “The Debate”, every now and again it produces some memorable moments like the episode/debate to follow between peace activist Ken O’Keefe and former US intelligence officer Bob Ayers.

The show’s focus is on America’s division of terrorists into “good” and “bad”, and whether the US’ main goal is overthrowing Bashar al-Assad’s government in Syria. The title for the show is “Dubious Mission” and the guests begin their discussion after the woman host asks, “does the US really want to stop ISIS?”

Bob Ayers: I think that the United States wants to stop ISIL, but I don’t think the United States is willing to take the steps necessary to actually defeat and get rid of ISIL.

Ken O’Keefe: Absolutely not. And I find it laughable that anybody would ever consider the United States to be seriously interested in ending terrorism. We’ve had over 13 years of this farcical war on terror, all of it built on lies. From the false flag of 9/11, to the non-prosecution of Osama Bin Laden because the FBI admitted there was no evidence linking him to 9/11, from every policy sense… The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the attack on Libya destroying that country, attempting to fully destroy Syria – all of this is terrorism. Terrorism on a grand scale.

Host: … killings and beheadings going on for years now in Syria, why is the United States acting now?

Bob Ayers: I think there are several triggers that caused the United States to react in this current timeframe. One trigger was the continuing success of ISIL in terms of expanding its territorial acquisition, and (2), the extension of, if you will, beheadings and things like that, to include United States citizens. That always triggers the United States. So, the United States is reacting to events that have caused them to sit up and take notice of ISIL.

Ken O’Keefe: … the beheadings have largely been debunked. At the very least, the people who are being executed in those videos are not alive. We know when you execute somebody by cutting off their head, their heart is still beating, blood will pour forth profusely. This is not the case with these videos, and it also is one massive manipulation to suggest that the life of one or two Americans somehow justifies yet another invasion and occupation, which we have destroyed three countries at the very minimum – in terms of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya.

We have largely caused the breeding grounds for so-called terrorism all around the region. It is beggar’s belief that anyone would be manipulated in yet another policy in which invasion, bombing, and occupation, ultimately destruction of entire areas, is somehow going to make the world a better place. We have seen this all before, and the United States is repeating the same role as it has been. And it will make for more blood and more guts and more misery, and ultimately a breeding ground for those who see the West for what it is. Absolutely hypocritical.

The West has no moral authority whatsoever; it is in no position at all to discuss any issue regarding morality. Because it is the most corrupt and most violent of all peoples on this planet. The West is the problem, not the rest of the world. And our little boogeyman we create will stop once we stop having the power through the global reserve currency of the US dollar, to be able to pay those psychopaths to run around and behead, and so on and so forth.

Host: … actual goal the government in Damascus?

Bob Ayers: Certainly that’s the opinion of some people. The purpose of this debate tonight is to try to understand why the United States is acting the way they are, and what the steps are that they plan on taking to try to defeat, degrade, or destroy ISIS. It’s not a venue for standing on a soapbox and preaching against all the perceived ills and crimes of the United States over the last 50 years.

Host: … Syria is obviously in this scenario.

Bob Ayers: There’s no question that Syria is involved in this current situation. The United States position is that they have been trying to unseat Assad. Now, the United States is in an interesting position in that to defeat ISIS or ISIL, they’re going to have to defeat them not only in Iraq where they’re located, but also in Syria. If they defeat them in Syria, they are inadvertently supporting Assad, because Assad is fighting ISIL in Syria.

Host: … they don’t want to defeat them there (Syria)?

Bob Ayers: No. What I’m saying is, they want to defeat them there, but they don’t know how to do that without bolstering the Assad regime, which is something they don’t want to do. So the United States is resorting to these consortia, which they’re trying to find alternative ways, and alternative sources to defeat ISIL, without the United States doing it themselves.

Host: What kind of precedent does this set?

Ken O’Keefe: Well, it’s not a precedent at all. We’ve already been bombing Pakistan, Yemen; we have been running around the world basically in a lawless kind of way, have been carrying out policies including executions of anyone, anywhere, anytime, based on the so-called President of the United States having a meeting and declaring somebody to be a terrorist. This even includes American citizens. So, there is no sovereignty of nations. There is no international law.

And this so-called intelligence analyst. This intelligence analyst appears to be completely oblivious to the fact that it was the United States which supported the mujahideen, which became al-Qaeda, which morphed into al-Nusra Front, then ISIS, ISIL, IS, whatever the hell you want to call it. Has been arming these people, training these people, providing bases and training in Jordan and also in Turkey. Their little proxies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar and Kuwait have been funneling money and arms, and now we’re being told they’re going to be training these so-called moderate factions of resistance in Syria in Saudi Arabia, that bastion of moderate behavior, the Saudi Arabia regime, one of the most offensive – if not the most offensive – regimes on the planet.

A place that we give weapons and we give cover to, political or media cover. The idea that an intelligence analyst could be so oblivious, and so completely incompetent at his own field that he does not recognize the United States having supported, armed, trained, coddled, and protected all those terrorists for decades now, is beyond belief. He can’t be so stupid surely, not to know that the United States has an inherent interest in propping up continuously one boogeyman after another to justify what I said earlier: the military-industrial-complex, the goal of full spectrum dominance, military bases all around the world. This is what’s happened. People with half a brain know this.

Bob Ayers: I can’t continue to be insulted by this other person. I’m ending this interview. Find somebody else who’ll listen to this moron speak his mind.

Ken O’Keefe: You insult the people of the world with your so-called intelligence analysis. You are sending the American sons and daughters off to yet another war, so that they can become so traumatized, and so sick and so maimed that they can come back home to the tune of 22 American sailors and servicemen a day committing suicide. You are a traitor to your nation, or criminally incompetent.

At this point Mr. Ayers has ended his internet connection and his participation in the discussion. The host apologizes to the viewing audience and Ken O’Keefe is the lone guest. A few of his statements from the rest of the program worth noting:

“But at the end of the day, I come from the West, and what we can see is that my birth nation in the United States is the #1 terrorist. This is simply not debatable. And so I understand that many people are still being conned into believing in this nonsense – the latest boogeyman creation – but ever-growing numbers of people are not buying it. They are not. And this is extremely promising, and a necessary step to create a better world”.

“…The policy is being carried out exactly as it was written, and the scenes of sectarian hatred and divide, which are necessary to fracture the people of the region so that you’ll be in a weakened state and therefore be subject to the real intention and the goal, which is to expand the Israeli empire. Ultimately, this is going to fall flat on its face, but right now the chaos that is being sown is extremely advantageous for the powers that be”.


(Thank you to Ken O’Keefe at YouTube)

2 thoughts on “Global ISIS Debate Intensifies.

    1. Stuart,
      Looks like the US Congress will show the American people what it’s made of, or not. Same goes for men and women peace activists around the world on the internet, as it looks like time to work to prevent escalation.


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